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 Bara/Hoagland Rebuttal Gary P. Posner "enterprisemissions.com" (an added "s" changing " either changed URL again -- or disappeared entirely -- sometime in November or December 2023. In this article, the affected links are to his pages as saved by Internet Archive's Wayback Machine. 
 
The following is my response to the 
Bara/Hoagland rebuttal to 
my Skeptical Inquirer article. I will ignore the conjecture and the inflammatory 
and irrational diatribes, 
and confine my comments to claims of factual errors and the like on my part. 
Direct quotes from Bara/Hoagland appear in bold, followed by my response. (Also see my follow-up Skeptical Inquirer article.)
 
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[The Skeptical Inquirer cover photo] is so bad that it is nearly unrecognizable as [frame] 35A72.
 
For the cover we used the most famous, ubiquitous "Face" image from the 1976 Viking mission -- the one 
that would be most  immediately recognizable to everyone. Skeptical Inquirer has run a 
follow-up column in the May/June 2001 issue, in which I 
included a more enhanced image for comparative purposes.
 
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They used the  
I did indeed use the earlier-released 1998 Mars Global Surveyor frame which, for technical reasons 
(due to the way NASA's mapping was being carried out), had turned out slightly "stretched" along the 
"Face's" vertical axis (a clue being that the adjacent crater is a bit asymmetrical). As soon as the 
difference between this version (which I would now call the "Jay Leno" image), and NASA's 
stretch-reduced version, was made clear to me by The 
Cydonia Institute (a bit too late -- my own fault), 
on my Web site I immediately replaced the former image with the latter, and Skeptical Inquirer 
has published the two versions side by side in my May/June 2001 
follow-up column. 
Even so, admittedly this unstretched image is not the version in the Bara/Hoagland rebuttal that has 
been light-reversed by NASA (to more closely simulate the lighting conditions from 1976), 
and then further "enhanced" by graphic artist Mark Kelly (including the use of shading around 
the eyes) so as to appear more like a face (both of those images also appear in my May/June 
follow-up column). 
For a fuller explanation of the MGS photos, see 
this NASA 
Web page.
 
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Rather than use one of the many images of Hoagland freely available on the web, they insert a 
freakishly weird sketch  
Unfortunately, I was not made aware of the decision to use a sketch until the issue was on its way 
to press, and never even saw it until my magazine arrived in the mail (the sketch was not included 
in my page proofs). I agree that the sketch is unflattering -- it was based on a photo found 
on Hoagland's Web site, taken while he was recuperating from a heart attack. I regret that 
a better photo was not found and used instead (I had initially suggested the one in the upper-left 
corner of my Web site's version of the article, but it is of insufficient pixel quality for reproduction 
in a magazine).
 
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[Posner's article] starts off with an immediate Clintonian half-truth.  
My opening paragraph was slightly in error. Like Bara does in the above complaint, I misused 
"Cydonia" to refer to the few hundred square miles of terrain containing the "Face" and the other 
"monuments." But Cydonia actually encompasses a much wider geographical region of Mars, and 
though the "monuments" were of no interest to NASA, the 
far northern portion of Cydonia was indeed of prime interest for the Viking 2 lander (which is why 
Cydonia was photographed so extensively), being at low elevation (so the parchutes would work) and 
about as close as a lander could get (due to the mission's latitude constraints) to the edge of the 
North Polar Cap, and thus to the possibility of encountering atmospheric water. 
Ultimately the terrain there was deemed too rugged to risk a landing (the alternate 
Utopia landing site, which turned out to be much rockier than expected, had appeared 
in orbital photos to be smoother than Cydonia due to protective sand dunes). 
Though the timing was coincidental (both portions of Cydonia -- the proposed landing site and 
the "monuments" area -- were, naturally, photographed in close time proximity), the "Face" was 
irrelevant to the change of landing sites. For a detailed chronology of the landing site selections, 
see these portions of 
Chapter 9 and 
Chapter 10 in 
On Mars: Exploration of the Red Planet 1958-1978 
by Ezell & Ezell, NASA SP-4212.
 
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While it is basically true that Cydonia does not have much in the way of "dried river channels," 
it is thought to be the 
location of an ancient Martian ocean and as such would have all the necessary 
elements to have supported microbial life. The action of this ocean is in fact one of the many (and 
contradictory) explanations frequently cited to account for the process that created the Face in 
the first place. So to claim that Cydonia is not a good place to look for life is patently absurd.
 
I understand the prevailing informed opinion to have been, both at the time of the 
Viking mission and Mars Global Surveyor, that Cydonia was most likely never an ocean, and that its features 
are more likely the result of erosion by other forces (e.g., wind) rather than water.
 
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[Posner's mentioning the possibility] that the Face was built by "Earthlings -- from our own 
future"  
I didn't find this possibility (which I thought of myself) any more "ridiculous" than any other, and 
I did not ascribe it to Hoagland. But little did I know (nor does the above complaint hint at) 
how close I had actually come to Hoagland's current view; I should have simply instead put the words 
"our own past " in his mouth. The following (in bold) is verbatim from Richard Hoagland's 
appearance on the Coast to Coast A.M. radio program on the night/morning of Nov. 17/18, 2000:
 
 
Late Note: For anyone who thinks the above quote is too bizarre to have been anything other than an invention of mine, I assure you that it is verbatim. The audio of that night's broadcast (and all the others of that era) was available for months thereafter on the program's website (including at the time of my writing), but unfortunately it no longer is, nor can I find it preserved on the Internet Archive. But on December 29, 2007, Hoagland posted similar remarks on this forum.
 
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[Posner] implies  
Though Hoagland does not claim that the Fortress "is an actual fortress," he does represent it as one 
of several artificial structures comprising the "City." From the caption to Plate 10 in my 1987 
edition of Hoagland's book (the same photo and caption grace the back cover): 
"The 'Fortress,' with thick, straight 'walls' and an apparent interior space. The long wall points 
directly at the 'D&M Pyramid.'"
 
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[Posner] then goes on to claim that the D&M Pyramid is on frame 35A72, which it flatly is not.
 
Plate 1 in my edition of Hoagland's book is labeled "Frame 35A72, low sun angle, NASA batch-processed 
version." Item (a) is the "Face," (b) the "city," and (c) the "D&M pyramid." This frame also 
appears on this aforementioned 
NASA Web page, 
and does indeed contain the so-called 
"D&M Pyramid" -- the feature touched by the lower horizontal border of the thin 
rectangle/parallelogram (which outlines the strip covered by an even higher-resolution camera).
 
[Note: Following the posting of my response, the above-quoted sentence was promptly removed 
from the Bara/Hoagland page.]
  
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Posner moves into absolutely ridiculous territory, implying that Hoagland is somehow responsible 
for corruption in [the] west African nation [of Sierra Leone].
 
If Bara and Hoagland are capable of drawing such a flawed inference, this may help to explain how 
they can reach such weird conclusions about the surface features of Mars.
 
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[Hoagland] never wrote any of the words attributed to him [in the promotional material for the 
stamp set]. The whole "quote" was written by Feinstein and used without Hoagland's permission.
 
If that is so, I regret repeating the quote which, as I point out, was published by the most 
authoritative philatelic news source. But I wonder what part of it Hoagland would disagree with.
 
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As to the issue of Hoagland "selling" a book on Harder's program  
If that is the case, I am happy to clarify the record.
 
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Readers are asked to please point out to me by e-mail any other 
alleged factual errors (or the like) that I have failed to address in this response.
 
 
Return to end of my Skeptical Look at Richard Hoagland
 
Read Ralph Greenberg's response to 
Bara/Hoagland
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